Golem vs chimera

Chimera in my opinion is the strongest unit of the game probably better than the Worg, altough it is hard battle. Let's compare it with the other Ram legendary just to see how underpowered the latter is for a legendary vs the chimera.

Flesh Golem vs Chimera:

Ducats cost (lvl 1): 28.150 vs 27.720 ---> chimera is a bit cheaper
AP Cost (lvl 1): 198 vs 200 ---> almost equal
AP cost (lvl 5 - build 1) : 237 (swipe/hardboilled) vs 238 (Counterattack/aoe attack) ---> more or less same AP
AP cost (lvl 5 - build 2) : 229 (master strike/hardboiled/rapidity) vs 231 (support version) ---> more or less same AP

Attack dices: 1 melee vs 1 melee+1 spell ---> chimera can possibly deal more damage in one turn and can be ranged
ACC: 15 vs 15 --> yay equal
PAR: 6 vs 11 --> chimera wins, almost double
DOD: 7 vs 13 --> chimera wins, almost double
DAM: 18 vs 17 (or 25 if under strenght of virtue) -> chimera wins if under the buff or is nearly EQUAL
TOU: 20 vs 16 --> Golem wins! YAY ferocious makes him sad though.
WIL: 8 vs 16 ---> chimera wins but that is kind of obvious why.
MOV: 3 or 4 vs 5 --> Drum rolls....chimera wins and is as fast as the worg obviously.

skill comparison:

Fear (20) + steadfast vs mastery of the arcana for free + steadfast --> at least here the golem is better.

so...chimera does more DAMAGE provides more flexibility with the spells , has a bigger movement, supports more, has better stats beside TOU aaaand...cost the same AP. What i find the most crazy is that the warrior-MAGE can reach 25 DAM and surpass by a HUGE amount the flesh golem which is a pure warrior.
How can you justify that it can reach 25 DAM and even without the buff deal more damage (by using a spell+attack) than the flesh golem while packing more utility and having better stat for the same AP?!

its no exacly 1v1 situation - as i said before many times - Golem is Auto win in all games when enemy dont have anything to break through his TOU+hard boiled... dealing 1dmg per hit is quite sad

in all other cases golem can be brough down sooner or faster... and feriocious skeletons can almost 1v1 him with arrows
but ist becouse of feriocious not golem mechanics

While chimera should be partialy remade - to make her more big games supporter/caster than insane counteratacking meat grinder with +8 Str from her own spell, hyperian (fear=+4PAR) and counteratack for one ''Coutnerkill'.


IMO all current Legendaries are problematic (due to 0:1 WIN:LOSE situation when enemy have some hard couters for legendaries) - totaly as in C3/C3,5 when they was banned on 90% of tournaments


btw - why didn't you Nucked my Chimera with Palladins Occult Erosions?

its no exacly 1v1 situation - as i said before many times - Golem is Auto win in all games when enemy dont have anything to break through his TOU+hard boiled... dealing 1dmg per hit is quite sad

in all other cases golem can be brough down sooner or faster... and feriocious skeletons can almost 1v1 him with arrows
but ist becouse of feriocious not golem mechanics

While chimera should be partialy remade - to make her more big games supporter/caster than insane counteratacking meat grinder with +8 Str from her own spell, hyperian (fear=+4PAR) and counteratack for one ''Coutnerkill'.


IMO all current Legendaries are problematic (due to 0:1 WIN:LOSE situation when enemy have some hard couters for legendaries) - totaly as in C3/C3,5 when they was banned on 90% of tournaments


btw - why didn't you Nucked my Chimera with Palladins Occult Erosions?

i dont think it is an auto win unless we are talking on a 250-300 AP game. But then all legendaries are OP in that situation. The problem is the huge different in terms of power in my opinion with the golem which should be as problematic as the other legendaries.

anyway about why i did not "nuke" it with occult erosion...because you did not move it in range and you could have stayed the whole match bunkering with the chimera waiting and all your arrows hitting me for just....uhm...24-25 damages per archer shot - which hits 100%? Also to get faith since all your units were clumped together i could have either exposed myself and getting one shot by a mage or use Martyr on one paladin...for what? occult erosion other than preventing it to cast some spells it would do maybe 4-5 damage on the chimera so not really a "nuke" which can be healed easily. I always thought the key to beat lions is playing offensively and therefore went straight to your VIP...which i could have killed if i didn't fail the 95% chance spell

[Jigoku]

Deep Blue, I guess the next patch will make you really happy, then

Many changes were made for the legendaries, and especially for the golem.
Let's share your thoughts on this thread when the patch hits steam, hopefully in the next few days

which i could have killed if i didn't fail the 95% chance spell

On Vip scenarios its realy hard to defend Vip against both Ram and the Wolfens... Lions are nice for 'harrasing' but when it comes to Killing a hiden Vip they have no ofensive units (even compared to paladins p not to wolfen G.Guardian).

because you did not move it in range and you could have stayed the whole match bunkering with the chimera waiting and all your arrows hitting me for just....uhm...24-25 damages per archer shot - which hits 100%

In times of C3.5 i managed to get into country top 3 mostly (lets say 50/50 becouse i tried to play each time with something totaly different) thx to combo roasters
Whole 400 points army casting suport spells/miracles on one fast unit with implacable/2 or something like that

i dont think it is an auto win unless we are talking on a 250-300 AP game.

It all depends on your playstyle - when i played my oryginal concept of Scouts of Icquor with mass Archers/Swordsmans + one lev 2 Valkyrie - each Golem was insta GG

Let's share your thoughts on this thread when the patch hits steam, hopefully in the next few days

Yay
any patch note update/changelog ?

which i could have killed if i didn't fail the 95% chance spell

On Vip scenarios its realy hard to defend Vip against both Ram and the Wolfens... Lions are nice for 'harrasing' but when it comes to Killing a hiden Vip they have no ofensive units (even compared to paladins p not to wolfen G.Guardian).

i think all races have their shot at killing the VIP in 1 turn. DAM 25 Chimera can oneshot the VIP without offensive. A mage can oneshot the VIP. An archer can 1 shot it with offensive and bane of the impure. Oh and you also move first often so i don't see it as something THAT hard for lion

i dont think it is an auto win unless we are talking on a 250-300 AP game.

It all depends on your playstyle - when i played my oryginal concept of Scouts of Icquor with mass Archers/Swordsmans + one lev 2 Valkyrie - each Golem was insta GG

Swordmen are so bad right now that they deserve to die against anything non-regular and therefore are a waste of AP. Now...could you say that a chimera or worg would have led to a different outcome? I DOUBT SO. By looking at your comp it wasn't for sure very high in terms of AP and thus confirms my point plus you didnt have anything vs legendaries such as mage/valkyrie with justice/knight with knockdown etc....

DAM 25 Chimera can oneshot the VIP without offensive.

how you can oneshot 40dmg with one ~30dmg hit ?

And lets not count legendaries into that ;P

.could you say that a chimera or worg would have led to a different outcome? I DOUBT SO.

it was something like

Legend:Win:Defeat
Golem:0:4
Worg:2:3
Chimera:2:3
as i remember

But while playing Wolfens
Golem:0:0
Worg:3:0 (3 crossbowmans and grave guardian ;] )
Chimera:0:0

i never faced Chimera or Golem while playing wolfens ;/

In short : chimera is broken right now, like the lion army.
Almost stopped play and waiting for open beta and patch.... right no there's little to play and to have fun when there's clearly one unbeatable list around.

right no there's little to play and to have fun when there's clearly one unbeatable list around.

Unfortunatly i don't have screen of your perovious Acheron list with over 50 wins and 3 loses... but i assume that you faced this unbetable list only 3 times

right no there's little to play and to have fun when there's clearly one unbeatable list around.

Unfortunatly i don't have screen of your perovious Acheron list with over 50 wins and 3 loses... but i assume that you faced this unbetable list only 3 times

or he faced the ancient battlefield map which there i also have a stunning amount of losses especially vs low AP armies