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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 12:39 am

2xPoB on 300? i would be so happy to face it ;)
as long it would be classic deatmach im sure winner :P
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 1:10 am

I'm Wolf and i really don't see how :(
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 4:29 am

I don't really find PoB to be that disturbing, he hits hard but you can usually focus him down if you out position, if he offensive stances on a unit that's the turn you want to burn through him while he's not returning damage.

Now....the flesh golem in 400 AP ....that's a different story! I think once you start seeing the top tier units more you'll see that the perceived power of the PoB is more than made up for by how underwhelming the worg is (fear 20 is cool but yea the stats are a bit meh)

Back to the PoB though....if you are playing lion, let him come to you, form a wall when he moves up his first rush make sure you smack him with your mage who's been accumulating mana and while he crawls if he's in the open use auspicies on an archer via valkyrie and go to town. You should have the thing with light-mod wounds before it gets to you and that greatly diminishes his threat! Just some food for thought
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 4:55 am

I don't have much experience because i only played in 200ap bracket but..

Don't all the elites seem way too strong for their cost, or the weaker units seem way too weak? It seems that your forced to use elite units in this game because of how cost efficient they are...

Leveled up Ranged units seem good though against the stronger melees because hard-boil doesn't affect ranged units apparently?

Is reasonable for them to have hard-boiled on top of their high toughness? or like the author who said elusive w/ pob gives it crazy disengage rate. Shouldn't POB at least get a movement speed nerf because it has absolutely everything you want on a melee besides a high willpower?

Also should their be a cap to how many elite units you can have in a party aside from the AP?

Maybe a change to fix could be buffing encircling bonnus
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 2:14 pm

i think that the biggest problem with this unit is 0 co-op in opposite team

he is perfect for fight 1-1 and can easly kill 1 unit and do 2nd atack acion on next enemy but when y find some combo in y team to stop him its easy oponent

i love to use knock out on knight and archers with hi iniciative i always can immobilize him and easly make dubel hit on archer ;P
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 5:14 pm

Again, 2 PoB against me.

PLaying defensively or offensively doesn't change anything
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSat Feb 08, 2014 9:03 pm

I usually play wolfs, for the ones who wonder, and it's really nigh-impossible, for me, to stop them.
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSun Feb 09, 2014 9:39 am

i won quite some games vs pob...attack them only when surrounded and they go down easy...use your numeric advantage. surround them with 3 units and they go down easy. Put them in a condition that if they use offensive you wreck them.
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSun Feb 09, 2014 9:42 am

That's the thing: With the Children of Yllia, you don't have numerical superiority against it, even, even if you try to go horde. You can't ever nuke it simply by being all around it. By the time you killed the retinue, you're weakened and he chain kills me, if I focus on it it still kills me WITH its band of followers.
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Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostSun Feb 09, 2014 9:52 am

Deuzerre wrote:That's the thing: With the Children of Yllia, you don't have numerical superiority against it, even, even if you try to go horde. You can't ever nuke it simply by being all around it. By the time you killed the retinue, you're weakened and he chain kills me, if I focus on it it still kills me WITH its band of followers.


depending on the situation...i usually try to block him / slow him down while i handle the other guys this works with ram very well. In case of wolf vs wolf i would have 2 tactics: you either go PoB as well or grave guardian (which has a better defense) that is supported by a lonewolf healer and few crossbowmen or you plan a kiting tactic to slow him down with lonewolf/hassment crossbowmen...the rune guardian can also be very good with ylia's wrath on a grave guardian or crossbowmen for extra damage (you probably damage him for 20 in total with an offensive from a crossbowmen and from there on it is an easy prey)

edit: im not sure as i didn't try it but mask of gandhar from the rune priest can be quite important in the match up as the PoB has only WIL 8...and a fear of 16-15 can be quite hard to resist...also...taunt him with your grave/pob -3acc and -3dam can be relevant if he can't attack your unit. Sneak attack from the wolven hunter is also perfect to weaken him
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