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OzKillswitch

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Them Dogs are OP!

PostSat Aug 30, 2014 11:03 pm

I'm I the only one that has noticed that no one is playing other armies but them Dogs, why because there op! I'm new to the game but why do they get to hit so hard, move faster then anyone else, get to attack twice, and have support troops that are better then any other armies main line troops in combat! There not balanced at all, I for one will not be playing this game again until it changes, the game already has limited players due to lack of army verity and with the clear unbalanced nature of this one army its pointless. I can see why it is called "DOGS" of War.
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Astralwyrm

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostSat Aug 30, 2014 11:25 pm

Because there are less of them. As a whole Wolfen Units cost more AP so they have less hp to begin with. I've seen and used armies with Silienne, Arinius, Melmoth and Kerberos all decimate Wolfen armies. What is OP though is Guardian of Equilibrium who deserve to be quite a bit more expensive than they are right now. Even Guardian of the Equilibrium builds can struggle against Silienne's ranged brute force though especially when she starts killing units outright.

Starting out from rank 1 can be hard because you don't have access to some of the best units as balance on many units right now is not quite right. If your struggling i can give you some advice as to what units perform best at the moment.
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OzKillswitch

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostSun Aug 31, 2014 12:16 am

I don't think you can outnumber them enough I played my last game before had 9 guys and he had 6, for what his troops could do I would need 3 to his 1 not 1.5 to his 1, when you make games like this an Army should have 1 or 2 at most good aspects not 4. I don't have access to the archer yet but all my level 2 archers did in the last battle was miss I think I hit 2 out of 9 shots at point blank! When I look at there troops they are all good apart from there crossbow guys which are the same as my archers but most of the troop types of the other armies are just meh they will have to do. 1 of his support guys must be that guy you spoke about took out my swords man and my 2 archers by him self! My Sphinx and sword lady an 3 swords man were taken out by 2 guys in 3 turns!Also as a new player why am I facing guys that have full set armies I've played 2 games online.
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Astralwyrm

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostSun Aug 31, 2014 1:35 am

Wolfen have plenty of useless units at the moment just like all of the armies. Chimera can be pretty devastating against Wolfen but she is also at a disadvantage in some ways especially with Guardian of the Equilibrium around. She relies alot on damage getting spread across your units so she can heal them all at once with her Elixir skill. Wolfen are more capable of taking out individual units at a time in melee combat, so they can be a problem for her. They can also deal significant damage to her in melee combat and she has very little movement to get away from Wolfen with. Emerok also can completely disable her ability to cast spells if he can use his elixir skill in close proximity to her.

If your going up against Wolfen with Chimera provided your not going up against Guardian of the Equilibriums i've seen Chimera builds that use 2 or 3 Assault lions that do well. The high parry means they often dodge attacks from Wolfen units and that makes it easier to be able to heal them with Chimera's elixir skill. I've used a few composition that have worked ok but Chimera relies quite alot on winning the capture area. Against Wolfen she doesn't need quite as many units to do that and keeping elixirs from Wolfen opponents will greatly effect their offense.

Arinius is really effective against Wolfen, he can take the hits and he can smack back hard. An experienced Wolfen player will be using 3 Guardians of Equilibrium/Emerok right now though and make short work of him with offensive miracles.
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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostSat Oct 25, 2014 9:00 pm

I would like to add my personal opinion on the matter, as a 120% "newbie" player but with eagerness to spend some time here.

The whole idea of the game is truly INNOVATIVE ."Tabletop wargame sims" are much in demand out there and at the same time scarce. The only titles I know are the -still on development- Warmachine Tactics and Mordheim, and this one, so the hype when I "discovered" Dogs of war was ...HUGE.

Although, some things looked to me unappealing when logged and played those few days

1) I understand that for the advanced player, much more the one came here straight from years spent on Confrontation, Wolfens Difficulty or whatever is nothing. He has the experience, seen the combo of units etc to deal with them effectively.
But for the completely new to novice player, the sight of casters being tougher than his melees and a single mob steamrolling 4-5 of his troops is...terrible?
On every encounter with lions all my losses were close calls, haven t met Undeads yet but with wolfens...you know.
That "faction for starters" tag isn't an excuse, with that logic we "should" all play wolfens etc etc

2) The lack of content, the game is beta but some things could be done like some more maps or solo content and scenarios

Anyway, hopefully you will find my humble and truly noobish opinion accepted
The game has the potentials to become great, I truly believe so
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Astralwyrm

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostSat Oct 25, 2014 10:18 pm

I agree with you but i disagree with you in one aspect. It's not really a Wolfen specific issue, they aren't any more powerful than other veteran army builds besides those that use Guardian of Equilibrium who is bugged. Yes Wolfen have the most obvious game changers and when ring coinflips go against you it hurts but all armies armed with beginner units are quite bad. Ram have awesome beginner units and an awful bugged to heck beginner champion which consequently is why few play Ram. Wolfen beginner units are... too melee focused, it means any counter attack using opponent will mince you with ease. Lion have some good beginner units, some not so good, their beginner champion is really powerful but also really frail.

Beginners will struggle because they have a smaller pool and not many counter options. That and they just generally have a bad understanding of the mechanics and the importance of positioning etc etc. There is also some beginner units that really shouldn't be beginner units because they are too situational and don't fit the champion. There is also some balancing needed which beginner units need to be prioritised for like the sub par swordsman. Main things that need fixing right now is Swordsman, Kain and Scourge: Magician (+9 damage every turn against most units is a big deal) and Assault Crossbowman or Devotee of Yllia need to drop in AP cost. That would do alot for balance in favour of beginners.

Some form of vs ai content which mimics confrontation mode would be helpful i think. It would help players build an army they are comfortable with before going into pvp and getting burned. Another issue for beginners is that your veteran opponent has a better knowledge of what each army can muster and so can counter in the preparation screen by changing champion/units. A beginner can't do that. For example when i got my no 1 in the ranks i was using an Arinius build against Wolfen and Lion and a Chimera Build when against Ram. Maybe this wouldn't be so bad when players can't really predict exactly what opponents might have only guess but right now you can very much be sure what would be the worst case scenario for you and switch your army to suit that situation.
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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostTue Nov 04, 2014 5:27 pm

I'm in total agreement with Astralwyrm here, and because I've already said plenty on this subject on the youtubes, I'm just gonna leave this right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKbgIke ... CT_XqzEKQA
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My opinion because I'm lazy and didn't feel like typing it out.
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soweczka

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostThu May 14, 2015 11:17 pm

Good video. I agree too. There is no OP in this game
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miodek1987

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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostTue Jun 16, 2015 9:07 am

Nice video indeed:) OP needed.
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Re: Them Dogs are OP!

PostMon Oct 05, 2015 4:58 am

Some form of vs ai content which mimics confrontation mode would be helpful i think.
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