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why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:37 am
by Akross
sorry but the Worg is the more expensive of all the 3 legendary but is also the weakest.
he is practicaly equal to a predetor of blood like combat ability. he is weaker of chimera in all and cost more. this for his fear 20?
chimera is really more powerfull. she can heal units, is stronger in combat, she has eternal scourg that make a considerevol damage and is also a magician. worg apart have the +3 damage or +3 thougness can't face a chimera.
i think the worg must be stronger than a predetor of blood, almost 2 point in acc and damage more, or almost 1 point.
i played confrontation and the worg was more powerfull in combat than a predator.

Re: why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:43 am
by Dragon_Warrior
Akross wrote:sorry but the Worg is the more expensive of all the 3 legendary but is also the weakest.
he is practicaly equal to a predetor of blood like combat ability. he is weaker of chimera in all and cost more. this for his fear 20?
chimera is really more powerfull. she can heal units, is stronger in combat, she has eternal scourg that make a considerevol damage and is also a magician. worg apart have the +3 damage or +3 thougness can't face a chimera.
i think the worg must be stronger than a predetor of blood, almost 2 point in acc and damage more, or almost 1 point.
i played confrontation and the worg was more powerfull in combat than a predator.

Chimera - 1 Atack
Worg - 2 Atacks

and Chimera cast 1 spell each 2 turns mostly, 1:1 only with sparkling.

but the main problem of Worg - is Pob ;)
They are simply to similar - not only by stats but also by skills.

Re: why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:25 pm
by William
Doesn't the Wrog have 60 hp though?

Re: why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:01 pm
by Deuzerre
Just going for a straight up comparison between two PoB compared to a single worg, in terms of efficiency.
Coloured lines are for "who wins".

Worg VS 2x PoB

Cost (Min->max): 252->287 vs 210->266
Hit points: 60 vs 80(40+40)
ACC, PAR, DOD: Same
DAM: 28(+6)[14(+3)x2] vs 52(+12)[13(+3)x4] (Between brackets: If they both take Accuracy)
TOU: 15 vs 12(+3 for Hard Boiled)
WIL: 13 vs 8

SKILLS:
LVL 1
FEAR: 20 vs 14x2 (Can be applied to more units)
Steadfast VS Hard boiled
LVL 2
Same for both
LVL 3
Blood lust or Hard Boiled VS Master Strike(ability) or Taunt. Advantage to PoB since it already ahs hard boiled and can get Blood Lust next level.
LVL 4
Implacable or Fierce VS Blood Lust, Fierce, Implacable. Advantage to Worg since it gets easier choices.
LVL 5
HOWL or WAR FURY VS War Fury. Advantage to Worg with Howl.


Conclusions:
2 PoB are still, in their most expensive form, cheaper than a single Worg, while providing more hitpoints, much more potential damage, and more tactical flexibility (Being two). They are however more vulnerable to fear, and have a harder time selecting some skills.

The worg has to decide at level 3 if it's going to tank more or deal more damage, not both, while the PoB can have both. However, a PoB having both Blood Lust and Hard Boiled will not be able to have Implacable or Fierce. The Worg also costs less orders than two PoB, if you're using orders on him/it.

Level 5 is a good thing for both, but the Worg can decide to either help its team or deal more damage, but that attack skill comes at a high price.

For me, having two PoB is much more interesting than a single Worg

Re: why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:06 pm
by Deep Blue
pre-open beta:

Omg worg is too strong.

open beta:

omg worg is too weak. what is wrong with you guys? :D

try to level him up, get him hardboiled, war fury and implacable, elusive...then you have the perfect killing machine. Queue only for VIP map and rush their VIP with defensive stance -> kill it in 1 turn. If they body block you just kill them, pursuit movement, kill another then pursuit to the vip.

Re: why Worg is so weak?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:09 pm
by Rodi
I have thought about that before and I complete agree with Deuzerre. PoB is almost as deadly as a Worg when you compare them at level 4 or 5 and has half the AP cost, so 2 PoB are much stronger than 1 Worg. That doesn't happen with Legendaries and Elites from the other factions (btw I think Golem costs too few AP compared to other Legendaries at level 4 or 5, and he is freaking invincible, so no reason for that).

EDIT: I am not saying PoB must be nerfed or Worg must be buffed or what should be done, but elites and legendaries certainly need adjustments.