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Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:24 pm
by Deuzerre
I may be a newbie, but there's one common denominator to my defeats: Predator of Blood.

Now let's see why:
"Firepower":
- Great Accuracy, great damage, two attacks
"Defence":
- Great dodge, average parry, average toughness, Hard boiled (-3 damage received), fear, weak willpower

- Great mobility.

That thing is a bulldozer. Its average parry and toughness are well compensated by "Hard boiled" it has by default, and its ability to deal damage is great.

It has no weaknesses.
You can't lock it in combat: it has a huge dodge value and its level 2 ability allows it to not care. Even without taking it, if it takes the level 2 "stun", it can stun the whole enemy line by walking through, without taking damage (or only in unlucky rolls.

You can't stop it from approaching: The mobility, Dodge and Hard Boiled make it hard to weaken with ranged weapons and spells.

You can't block it in Melee: Its accuracy doesn't care about most parry, even in Defensive Stance, its level 4 gives it 16 damage, and when you attack it its counter-attack is harder hitting than whatever damage you deal to it.

The only thing that kind of works against it is spells, but you don't always have good ones. And damage-dealing spells are also reduced by hard boiled.



What I would suggest... Would simply be to change "Hard boiled" with something else more "offense" oriented, like increased damage on weakened enemies, something... But Hard Boiled really reduced the effective punishment it is supposed to take in compensation of its "firepower". Making it more of a glass cannon.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:41 pm
by skydancer
I think that the overall profile of the PoB is ok. It's a bulldozer i'm ok with that.
What is needed imo, is a little inprove in his AP cost.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:20 pm
by Deep Blue
i dont think it is overpowered. It is an elite unit and therefore it must be a pain in the ass to deal with. Pre-patch it didnt come with hardboiled and nobody was using it, preferring the grave guardian (which is btw much better in terms of defense but has a lower DAM).

On a 1 on 1 i think it loses vs a skull warrior with hardboiled...probably it also has a tough time vs a lion knight. You just need to learn to control it...and at 300-400 you have lot of options to do that. It gets annoyingly OP in the Vip map but so does every wolven (reason why i dont even bother queueing for that)

ps: in before the whine about the Worg.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:39 pm
by HuvalC
IMO lion knight is the unit to nerf.
He is unkillable, especillay vs wolfen.
Maybe an increase of AP should be the solution too. BEcause you can't deal with him while being outnumbered.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:12 pm
by skydancer
Knight is ok as it is... wolfen can win vs him pretty easy. He lack mobility and wolfen can kill all the other unit and leave him at last.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:19 pm
by Aisu
Like Skydancer said, you just have to ignore the knight and run for other units, never focus him, he won't be able to instakill one unit and go for another one, not like Predator. If knight don't have valkyria with him, he is the weakest elite unit, if he had one, he is the strongest, just focus valkyria and win the game.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:34 pm
by HuvalC
That's what i do, but even full life, he is too much tanky.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:01 pm
by Dragon_Warrior
For me as a current (didn't play wolfens more than few fights since 0.10) Lion player - POB is ok.

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:16 pm
by HuvalC
Well PoB is OP, especialyy when lamers tend to pick 2 on 300 PA or 400PA..

Re: Predator of blood: Overpowered?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:06 pm
by skydancer
Take 2 Crane and you'll pown those 2 PoB :D