Wolfen stance need an upgrade?

lonewolf and rune guardian can cast only 1 spell regarding of their mana/Faith as they are warrior-mages/priest.

true but that makes Internal Rage almost useles for Lonewolf...

Hunter has the same damage of PoB (13) so im fairly sure they perform equally in terms of pure damage.

Base DMG - true - but not max dmg - PoB can get up to +7 Dam with Blood Lust and Master Strike or +6 with War Fury

Grave guardian has DAM 11 one more than a regular fang warrior

Fang can go up to 13 with Blood Lust and Grave Guardian up to 14 with War Fury and up to 17 with additional Bane Living Dead.

and Natural Selection still can add +2 to that

if my archer hits your PoB once (10 damage) it is like i just hit you for 30-40 AP (depending on PoB level) which is like i "oneshotted" a skeleton archer in terms of AP.

It should be counted fully by hit chance, dmg, ap cost and few more aspects to be usefull. Esoecialy PoB is elite assauld unit that can take down up to 3 units in one activation when not shoot in time.

lion > ram > wolf

I to lazy to check all top 100 but in top 10 there are 7 wolfen, 2 lion, 1 Ram and in top 20 8 wolfen, 8 Ram and 4 Lion, in top 30 - 13 Ram, 11 Wolfen and only 6 lion warbands.

about the ladder: it doesn't count a lot as many of the high ranked players stopped playing some patches ago and especially at early stages of the game wolven were super good especially vs non experienced players (which everybody was at the start of the closed beta). This greately inflated wolven's score in my opinion...not to mention worg caused many troubles especially when people didn't know too well how to react with it. I also dont know exactly how the formula for the damage works...the +3 damage on bloodlust is different from the DAM stat i think as it doesn't considers TOU that +3 damage. PoB master's strike is applied only to the first strike and the -6 TOU can be quite annoying especially after offensive stance where everybody can hit you for quite some damage (it will have same TOU as a MAGE...) and requires correct timing to use it correctly...

i would be happy to test some builds with you if you want vs your wolven and maybe you can show me they are super OP who knows .

ps: sadly i will resume to play after first days of january

i would be happy to test some builds with you if you want vs your wolven and maybe you can show me they are super OP who knows .

Dedicated counter-builds should work always - even against wolfens

Nevertheles we can try - but remember that you showed me that Harras is so much wrong ;P

i would be happy to test some builds with you if you want vs your wolven and maybe you can show me they are super OP who knows .

Dedicated counter-builds should work always - even against wolfens

Nevertheles we can try - but remember that you showed me that Harras is so much wrong ;P

i would be using undeads not wolven vs wolven and...to tell you the truth i dont even remember how is your wolven band so i will simply play what i normally use. This could be interesting also considering the new patch that is coming... im especially interested in fierce...finally paladin 1st skill gets more useful

im especially interested in fierce...finally paladin 1st skill gets more useful

im rather scared how powerfull PoB and Worg can become

i would be using undeads not wolven vs wolven and...to tell you the truth i dont even remember how is your wolven band so i will simply play what i normally use.

Currently the skydancer 3necro build is only warband that stopped my wolfens every time i meet it - but its mostly becouse he's so accurate with controling map by his puppets.

im especially interested in fierce...finally paladin 1st skill gets more useful

im rather scared how powerfull PoB and Worg can become

i would be using undeads not wolven vs wolven and...to tell you the truth i dont even remember how is your wolven band so i will simply play what i normally use.

Currently the skydancer 3necro build is only warband that stopped my wolfens every time i meet it - but its mostly becouse he's so accurate with controling map by his puppets.

Fierce will get an update also in terms of AP. I'm happy about that change because it will make the skill much more interesting and it will make harder choices

i use more or less the same build with 3 necro...and thats because controlling the map choke points is the key to win, especially with a slow army like ram. I'm curious with the new patch and martyr...i think priest will become more fearsome buuuuut back to the topic on natural selection we went a bit too offtopic

i use more or less the same build with 3 necro...and thats because controlling the map choke points is the key to win, especially with a slow army like ram. I'm curious with the new patch and martyr...i think priest will become more fearsome buuuuut back to the topic on natural selection we went a bit too offtopic

We can back to natural selection after new patch propably - becouse depending on Fierce change - it can be more than enough for the wolfens
but Im realy Hope that they make Fierce no better than in C3,5... in C3 was strong as hell and in C2 it was totaly ridiculus - but i'll write about it in patch thread.

i dont want to argue with skydancer - but afer another ~40 games im not even certan if Wolfen stance is weakest becouse both Wolfen and Ram stances gives non random efect that give a good player a option to manipulate with final efects - while Lion one gives a random +10% bonus that may or may not have impact on the game.

BTW - anyone used wolfen crossbowman with Accuary and Natural Selection? Assault Fire trick can kill 1,5 Valkyrie type unit at one activation.